DUST Search - Triage Hives Should Energize Shields, Not Repair Armor

Texs Red wrote:

Teilka Darkmist wrote:

They should make personal reppers less effective imo. At least untill they have a large enough range of usefull modules out that you have to choose between tank and something else. The reason you don't Dual tank in EVE is because that means you can't use the slots for anything else, and the other things you can do are just as usefull as your tanking. In Dust, you can often fit reps for shield and armour and still use the other modules you want. And this is on top of in built reppers (Every suit has shield regen that only takes a few seconds to get you back up to full when you're not being shot at and a lot have armour reps as well). Eve's built in shield reps takes minutes to build the shields back up to full.

The other option is make the modules more costly in terms of PG and CPU so that you can't fit both on the same suit.

When you word it like that then the problem sounds more like a lack of content than a need to alter CPU/PG. If they stick with traditional themes then passive mods for damage, speed, and fitting mods all go in low slots which allow shield tanks to have overall better performance but little ability to do anything different. Then your high slots typically give you the ability to do active modules that have greatly improved abilities but (for dust) would have limited duration.

The problem is that the is not evident in dust. The only thing high slots are useful for are damage, shield, and (with 1.8 scouts) precision mods. Where are lows are good for armor plates, passive armor repair, shield mods, fitting improvement, passive scanning, biotics, ect. To be honest I think the whole organization of that needs to be redone from the ground up.

My idea:

Highs:
Active damage mods
Active speed boosts
Active scan mods that greatly enhance passive scan precision/range for a short period of time
Profile dampeners
Shield modules

Lows:
Armor plates/reppers
CPU/PG upgrades
Passive scan precision/range enhancers
Passive damage amps
Passive speed boosts

Now having the option for all those active modules means the module wheel will be pretty cluttered for infantry so I would remove weapon selection from it and just have people use the button so that the module wheel is just for equipment and active modules. Then if Dust ever goes to PS4 you could make use of that touch pad on the controller too like in KIll Zone.

Conclusion: You now have fulling meaningful high slots and low slots that make sense. Ex: Gallente are armor tanks and use active modules to get up close to their prey to unleash their powerful CQC weapons while the Caldari use shields and have better consistent performance to keep their enemies at a distance where their weapons are most effective.

When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.


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Teilka Darkmist 76	Posted - 2014.01.26 13:08:00 - [1] - Quote They should make personal reppers less effective imo. At least untill they have a large enough range of usefull modules out that you have to choose between tank and something else. The reason you don't Dual tank in EVE is because that means you can't use the slots for anything else, and the other things you can do are just as usefull as your tanking. In Dust, you can often fit reps for shield and armour and still use the other modules you want. And this is on top of in built reppers (Every suit has shield regen that only takes a few seconds to get you back up to full when you're not being shot at and a lot have armour reps as well). Eve's built in shield reps takes minutes to build the shields back up to full. The other option is make the modules more costly in terms of PG and CPU so that you can't fit both on the same suit. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Teilka Darkmist 77	Posted - 2014.01.26 14:30:00 - [2] - Quote Texs Red wrote: Teilka Darkmist wrote: They should make personal reppers less effective imo. At least untill they have a large enough range of usefull modules out that you have to choose between tank and something else. The reason you don't Dual tank in EVE is because that means you can't use the slots for anything else, and the other things you can do are just as usefull as your tanking. In Dust, you can often fit reps for shield and armour and still use the other modules you want. And this is on top of in built reppers (Every suit has shield regen that only takes a few seconds to get you back up to full when you're not being shot at and a lot have armour reps as well). Eve's built in shield reps takes minutes to build the shields back up to full. The other option is make the modules more costly in terms of PG and CPU so that you can't fit both on the same suit. When you word it like that then the problem sounds more like a lack of content than a need to alter CPU/PG. If they stick with traditional themes then passive mods for damage, speed, and fitting mods all go in low slots which allow shield tanks to have overall better performance but little ability to do anything different. Then your high slots typically give you the ability to do active modules that have greatly improved abilities but (for dust) would have limited duration. The problem is that the is not evident in dust. The only thing high slots are useful for are damage, shield, and (with 1.8 scouts) precision mods. Where are lows are good for armor plates, passive armor repair, shield mods, fitting improvement, passive scanning, biotics, ect. To be honest I think the whole organization of that needs to be redone from the ground up. My idea: Highs: Active damage mods Active speed boosts Active scan mods that greatly enhance passive scan precision/range for a short period of time Profile dampeners Shield modules Lows: Armor plates/reppers CPU/PG upgrades Passive scan precision/range enhancers Passive damage amps Passive speed boosts Now having the option for all those active modules means the module wheel will be pretty cluttered for infantry so I would remove weapon selection from it and just have people use the button so that the module wheel is just for equipment and active modules. Then if Dust ever goes to PS4 you could make use of that touch pad on the controller too like in KIll Zone. Conclusion: You now have fulling meaningful high slots and low slots that make sense. Ex: Gallente are armor tanks and use active modules to get up close to their prey to unleash their powerful CQC weapons while the Caldari use shields and have better consistent performance to keep their enemies at a distance where their weapons are most effective. I think it's a case of either/or to be honest. You should have to sacrifice one thing to get something else. Whether they do it by adding more modules that make an effective difference to survivability and/or damage or just be altering PG/CPU doesn't make much difference. However, the modules one would have to be a longer term plan as they'd have to add a few at a time, and keep tweaking the balance to make it all work out whereas if they adjusted the CPU and PG now, they could still add more modules later and adjust the requirements back later. Ultimately, I'm not sure which way would be best, but I really thing they should make it so that, at least, you either armour tank or shield tank. Your idea for modules does seem to be a reasonably good one. It would be easier to judge is passive and active modules were easier to tell between. In EVE it's easy. Active ones need you to switch them on to be usefull, passive ones are 'always on'. Going by that standard everything in low and high slots is passive. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.